Unsupportable and Desperate for Attention: Nick Fuentes and the Groypers

Unsupportable and Desperate for Attention: Nick Fuentes and the Groypers

The trouble with Communism is the Communists, just as the trouble with Christianity is the Christians. They really do not believe in it and hence are hypocrites. All of them pant for money and hope to collar it by changing the rules. This fundamental pretense colors their whole propaganda. They have no more sense of honor than so many congressmen and engage constantly in wholesale lying.”- H.L. Mencken.

I think everyone’s heard of Nick Fuentes by now; host of the “America First” podcast and leader of the “Groyper Army.” The most attention he’s managed to gain recently was when former President Donald Trump hosted him, alongside the rapper Kanye West (I’m not calling him “Ye”) and Milo Yiannopoulos, at his Mar-a-Lago resort a few months ago. This, of course, resulted in Trump getting a lot of backlash for allowing him in, including from Republicans, due to Fuentes’s reputation as a far right white nationalist and an antisemitic Holocaust denier.

Trump tried to defend himself by claiming he didn’t know who Fuentes was at the time and told Breitbart News that the views of Nick Fuentes have no place in the GOP. He also denied knowing about West’s antisemitic comments and said he didn’t make any during the dinner. Milo Yiannopoulos claimed he set up the dinner to send a message to Trump that he’s “neglected, ignored, abused the people who love him the most, the people who put him in office,” and also to “just to make Trump’s life miserable.”

A lot of people who hadn’t heard of him probably started wondering who the hell is Nick Fuentes, is he really that bad, what are Groypers, and why the hell does that sound so dirty? To answer that second question: yes. That fourth question: I don’t know. And the first and third questions, that’s what the rest of the article is for. All right, let’s get this over with.

Nick Fuentes, who is described by the American Jewish Committee as “a white supremacist, Holocaust denier who hates Jews,” gained notoriety at a Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, where he, along with hundreds of demonstrators carrying torches and holding Nazi flags, marched through the University of Virginia campus, chanting “Jews will not replace us.” A self-proclaimed white supremacist named James Fields rammed a car during the event, injuring people and killing a woman named Heather Heyer. Nick Fuentes praised the event as “incredible,” added “you will not replace us,” and claimed a “tidal wave of white identity is coming.”

On his America First podcast, Fuentes has a history of saying some, uh, questionable things, shall we say, on race, religion, women, and politics, as Benny Johnson was nice enough to make a Twitter thread for us on.

  • Fuentes on Jim Crow segregation: “It was better for them (African Americans) too — They had to drink out of a different water fountain, big f*cking deal. Oh no, they had to go to different schools. Who cares, grow up.”
  • Fuentes doubted the number of deaths during the holocaust and made an analogy to cookie monster making cookies. “If I take one hour to cook a batch of cookies and cookie monster has 15 ovens working 24 hours a day every day for 5 years, how long does it take cookie monster to make 6 million batches of cookies? I don’t know, that’s a good question…. The math doesn’t seem to add up there. I don’t think you’d result in 6 million. Maybe to 200 to 300 thousand cookies.” It’s actually estimated about 15,000 Jews a day died during the Holocaust, with a total of 5.4 million to 5.8 million, but I digress.
  • Fuentes complained about Dave Rubin and called him “Jewey Jewstein”, demonstrating his painfully unfunny sense of humor; “welcome everybody I’m Dave Rubin, I’m gay and Jewish and this is the gay Jewish show.”
  • He called Matt Walsh a “faggot,” “faggot pussy,” “race traitor,” and, for some reason, added “you work for Jews, you know.”
  • When he was asked if he was hurt in his daily existence by Jews, he said “I told you yes, absolutely.” and said it would be degenerate for a white woman to have sex with a black man.
  • Fuentes said about women in politics: “I will continue my crusade against women in politics.”
  • On rape, he said it’s not a big deal.
  • Fuentes mocked Rob Smith for being a gay veteran.
  • Fuentes openly agrees with Richard Spencer on politics, who endorses Nick Fuentes.
  • Fuentes accused Trump of being “very cucked” to have disavowed white nationalism.
  • Fuentes called himself a “white board nationalist” and said America First isn’t America First if it isn’t 100% white and wants no black boards.
  • He said he’d support Antifa if they waved the banners of Mussolini or Oswald Mosley, and if they promoted catholic fascism, he would join them.
  • Nick Fuentes claims to share views with the Alt-Right.

Amongst other things Fuentes has said that Johnson didn’t list, after Roe v Wade was overturned, Fuentes rejoiced that banning gay marriage, sodomy, and contraception are back on the menu, and claimed this is “something like a catholic Taliban rule, in a good way!” he has also asked for a round of applause for Russia after its invasion of Ukraine during a speech, to which his crowd cheered and chanted “Putin,” and he has claimed the 2020 election proves that “we are in the minority” and “that’s why we need a dictatorship.” Quote: “We need to take control of the media or take control of the government and force the people to believe what we believe.”

His supporters, “the Groypers” or “Groyper Army,” have a history of heckling and disrupting different speakers at events, including Republicans and conservatives who want nothing to do with white nationalism or the Alt-Right. The Groypers gained some attention for heckling Donald Trump Jr. in California where he was set to promote his book, “Triggered,” which resulted in Trump Jr. and Kimberly Gulifoyle exiting the stage. Weeks after, they also disrupted Charlie Kirk’s Culture War college tour. They’ve been trying to attend events that feature Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro, Dave Rubin, Donald Trump Jr. and Dan Crenshaw to disrupt them because they think they are “exposing” them as “fake conservatives” on immigration, Israel, gay rights, and they claim to carry the mantle of Donald Trump.

Crenshaw and Kirk are openly Trump supporters but have criticized the “impeachment hoax” and have criticized the Groyper Army’s racism. Dan Crenshaw, who saw Groypers get escorted out of a TPUSA event after he said he “sections off” anger about “anti-whiteness” and got shouted down by an audience member who yelled, “We are mad because Israel, its prime minister, said 9/11 was good for Israel.” On Twitter, Crenshaw called the Groypers “vehement racists, antisemites & ethnic-nationalists.” Ben Shapiro has described these disruptions as an effort to smuggle in racist ideologies into conservatism, and called Fuentes a “garbage human being” with “obviously white supremacist garbage” views. “Some call themselves ‘America First’ to hijack President Trump’s slogans to give themselves a patina of credibility … you’re seeing them adopt the beliefs of some of these other movements in order to find cover for their own vile belief system.”

In an interview with The Hill, Fuentes claimed he’s not racist, antisemitic, or a white nationalist, and really does believe in the Holocaust but the cookie analogy was made only for shock value. “I’ve never advocated for a white ethno-state,” Fuentes said. “Multiracialism is here and we have to live with it and [the question is] how will we do that?” He added in hindsight, he probably wouldn’t have gone to Charlottesville if he knew about David Duke or Richard Spencer, and said some of his remarks are outrage trolling used to draw attention to his show or to get under his political rivals’ skin. “That’s kind of the whole thing. We have figured out the game. The algorithm. We’ve hacked the conversation where if you say sensational things like we do, you get attention. I don’t want it to be like that. I wish I could ascend with ideas.”

At this point, he’s confessing he’s only in it for the attention. I don’t know, Nick, the four horsemen of the New Atheists Movement did pretty well for themselves with debates and expressing their views through lectures and books, rather than encouraging fascism for attention. Never mind Spencer said he agreed with his views or his praise for a “catholic taliban in a good way” or how he wants America First to have a white board only or how he’d support Antifa if they promoted “Catholic fascism” or Oswald Mosley, a literal Nazi. Despite all of the things he has said, he denies being in any way a white supremacist. He really isn’t selling himself here.

They’ve also gained reputation over asking anti-Israel and antisemitic questions and conspiracies, such as about Israeli domestic surveillance equipment at the White House and the “Dancing Israelis” conspiracy; the belief that Israel somehow was behind 9/11 because five Israeli nationals danced as the Twin Towers burned down. I don’t know how they made that a correlation, but I guess they never heard of the post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy. Another recurring question is about the USS Liberty, where Israel sunk a U.S. spy ship in the aftermath of the Six-Day War in 1967 after it was misidentified as an Egyptian vessel. Groypers use this as an excuse to claim support for Israel isn’t putting “America First” and we need to reconsider America’s alliance with Israel.

While most conservatives wouldn’t want to be anywhere near Fuentes, he has gained some support from Michelle Malkin, who was fired from Young America’s Foundation for supporting him. She replied, “The Keepers of the Gate have spoken. #AmericaFirst is not ‘mainstream.’ My defense of unjustly prosecuted Proud Boys, patriotic young nationalists/groypers & demographic truth-tellers must not be tolerated. SPLC is cheering.” Haaretz claims that their size and scope nor their online reach isn’t very well documented, but the other events they’ve disrupted from Tennessee to Los Angeles has seemingly gained more steam.

Matt Walsh was also personally harassed by Groypers. During the Q&A portion of his speech on the campus of Cal State LA, Matt Walsh was approached by some Groypers trying to disrupt the event. “Calling someone bigoted is not an argument,” he said. “Accusing them of homophobia or racism or sexism or transphobia, or any other -phobia or -ism you can think of, is not an argument — it is a tantrum. It is a way of shutting down debate, not engaging it. If someone has really put forth a bigoted argument, you should have no trouble disproving it. It should be very easy to do. If you can’t, then perhaps that means there’s more to that point of view than you think.” The first person to asked a pre-written question focused on Ben Shapiro, where he said, “As a Christian, how do you get past working for someone who originally contributed to shaming the Covington Catholic kids by retweeting left-wing attacks and called Jesus a ‘Jewish rebel who tried to lead a revolt against Romans and got killed for his trouble’?” Walsh sarcastically replied, “Wait, you’re telling me that my Jewish boss doesn’t believe that Jesus is the son of God? My god, I’m scandalized by this! I had no idea.” Walsh then asked, “As a Christian, how do I justify working for someone who is not a Christian? I find that to be a total non sequitur.”

Who blasphemed Christ. That’s my main question,” the Groyper added.

Are you suggesting everyone who is not Christian is guilty of blasphemy?” Walsh responded.

The Groyper replied, “You are a Christian, and you are working for someone who blasphemed Christ, Jesus Christ.”

Walsh answered, “Just to clarify, you’re not going to work for anyone who’s not Christian — that’s what you’re saying?”

The Groyper said “not if they publicly state” something blasphemous about Christ “to millions upon millions of people.”

Walsh sarcastically said, “I promise, when I get back to the studio, I’m going to talk to Ben and tell him, ‘You must be a Christian right now,’ because that is unacceptable.”

Then Walsh continued, “If you have worked for any non-Christian, then you have worked for people who feel exactly that same way about Jesus.”

Because there are 7 billion people on earth; 5 billion of them are not Christian.”

Making employment decisions based on people’s lack of faith in Christ”, said Walsh, “is totally absurd.”

The next questioner brought up Fuentes, and said, “Recently you got into a little bit of a Twitter spat with [Nick Fuentes]. You went on your show and called him a punk and said he became a neo-Nazi to get attention. You said if someone’s arguments are truly bigoted, they should be easy to disprove. So will you have a conversation with [Fuentes] and if not, isn’t that kind of the same thing you just said that we shouldn’t do, you know, labeling people to shut down conversations?”

Walsh responded, “That little back and forth began because your buddy … went on his show, or whatever it is, having a tantrum — even though I hadn’t said anything to him. I think what I had done is I had actually tweeted that the guy who killed a bunch of Mexicans was a racist piece of sh**. Which I stand by. For some reason, … that upset him. He didn’t like that — talk about blasphemy, I’d blasphemed a mass shooter. He went off on a rant, started calling me homophobic slurs, that I’m a race traitor because I work for Jews …” Walsh then added: “Do I want to have a debate with him about whether I am those homophobic slurs or whether a race traitor working for Jews? No, I don’t think I need to debate with him — for the same reason I don’t need to debate a 6-year-old who’s crying because I took away the lollipop.”

In New York City one Saturday night, BLM-Antifa and the Groypers clashed during an anti-vaccine mandate protest after Mayor Bill de Blasio announced he was considering kids aged 5 to 11 to be required to have proof of vaccination. The Groypers chanted “Fuck Antifa,” while, as videos showed, high pitched sirens planted to drown out the shouting but it seemed to be ineffective. Another clip showed a Groyper with a shirt that read “I will not comply” yelled at an Antifa member “This is my city, Pussy!” Someone off-camera responded “do something about it,” as the Groypers continued to call him a “faggot.” In another video, Fuentes was seen shouting with his middle fingers up at a man, while other members held him back. Groypers held crucifixes wrapped in rosary bead around their fists held in the air as they chanted, “Christ is King!”

Just note that this event doesn’t in any way imply any positive feelings I have towards the vaccine mandates or BLM-Antifa. I’m against both, and I completely loathe BLM-Antifa and the Groypers, but I’m referring to this here to show how similar the two groups can behave.

Another time was on January 11th, 2020, when an anonymous Twitter user called doxed by Reporter Michael Tracey, formally from the Young Turks, who threatened neontaster that he’ll reveal his identity via email. This was due to a disagreement between the two after Tracey supported an attack on the U.S. Embassy in Iraq by an Iranian-backed militia in December 2019. Following this doxing threat, Tracey wrote, “I will always feel great about seeking to identify the influence of prominent neoconservatives in DC and media power structure. If you are offended by that, I am glad. Cry about it.”

Richard Spencer supported the doxing and added an Iranian flag to his Twitter profile. Other antisemitic Twitter users who belong to the Groyper Army jumped in the praise, including the ones that admitted they haven’t heard of him before the doxing. Some of the Groypers have actually attempted to dox neontaster before for criticizing Nick Fuentes. Compare their reactions to when Anitfa encouraged doxing ICE employees via LinkedIn. Don’t you think they behaved similarly?

The most recent fiasco Fuentes has gotten himself into was getting removed from Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) on March 3 this year due to his antisemitic views after he attempted to attend the conference, until CPAC officials became aware of his presence. Matt Schlapp, Chair of the American Conservative Union (ACU), denounced Fuentes via Instagram: “We removed Nick Fuentes from his attempt to attend our conference. His hateful racist rhetoric and actions are not consistent with the mission of CPAC. We are pleased that our conference welcomes a wide array of conservative perspectives from people of different backgrounds, but we are concerned about the rise in antisemitic rhetoric (or Jew hatred) in our country and around the globe, whether it be in the corridors of power and academia or through the online rantings of bigots like Fuentes.” Nick responded on Telegram where he stated he was “kicked out of CPAC” and then called himself the “most cancelled man in America.” He ended up trying to host his own “post-CPAC” conference at a Marriott hotel across the street. He tried to keep the location a secret until the event started and told his Telegram followers he’ll release the time and location following Donald Trump’s CPAC speech on Saturday night.

In his “AFPAC” event, he pushed for something he calls “Christian futurism” and encouraged the eradication of Satanism, liberalism, feminism, and Judaism. During his speech, he said Michael Knowles didn’t go far enough when he called to “eradicate” transgenderism in his CPAC speech. “The other thing that’s got to go,” he added, “is Talmudic Judaism.” Let’s quote him directly, shall we?

At the end of the day you know what else has to go? In a Christian society? This is a big one, this is a big one, okay? This is gonna be a controversial one. This is the only one that hates Jesus in the world. Not Hinduism, not Islam, not Buddhism, but the other thing that’s got to go from the public life at the highest levels is Talmudic Judaism. Now, you have in the universities in the media in Hollywood in finance in government and some people say well they’re not all Jewish, it’s like okay well it’s half or two-thirds or three-quarters. What’s the other quarter, what’s the other two-third what’s the other half? It’s not Catholics it’s not hardcore god-believing Christians it’s all kinds of other atheists, nihilists, postmodernists, whatever you want to call it. And so I don’t want to say ‘hey let’s all attack one group’ but there’s a big problem when the leadership isn’t Christian. We have big problems as a society when the people aren’t Christian. What happens when the king and queen aren’t Christian? What happens when the aristocracy isn’t Christian? What happens when the cities and business owners aren’t Christian? Well, take a look around you, it’s exactly what we have now. And so many of the problems that we can point to, which are blamed on various things, ideology, government, on other groups and populations, can be attributable to the loss of faith and the loss of adherence of objective morality. And so, you know, that’s a long way of saying I love Hitler.”

This resulted in cheers, applause, and chants of “Christ is King!” “That’s right,” continued Fuentes, “so it’s not about me, it’s not about Hitler, it’s about Jesus Christ.”

The hotel ended up coming under fire for hosting the event. Videos before the event showed crowds heckling journalists, some chanted “Groyper” inside the Marriott lobby and “go home,” as one of their “security” put his hand in front of a journalist’s camera and told him to go outside. They then proceeded to boo another cameraman and chanted “You are fat” towards him, then a Groyper complained, “You’re assaulting me with your camera, fatty! Don’t assault me with your camera, fatty!” Followed by more obnoxious Groypers chanting “you are gay!”

It’s not only weird that he’s lumping in Jews, nihilists, atheists, and postmodernists together but that he blames, what exactly, due to lack of Christian beliefs? Instability? Far left violence? Does he have polls, statistics, any evidence whatsoever that violence or disorder is mainly caused by godlessness? Why is it that Maine was ranked the 48th least religious state in a Pew Research article and 1st on lowest crime rate out of any state by U.S. News? Or what about a study from a group of scientists at the University of California, Berkeley, that found less religious people are more charitable due to compassion than the highly religious?

And what does “Talmudic Judaism” have anything to do with this? He’s clearly just scapegoating. Or what about shootings? Brazil was ranked the highest in total firearm deaths, America second, India third, and Mexico fourth, while America has the highest Christian population in the world, Brazil second, and Mexico third. How come Iceland, Japan, and New Zealand are in the 10 most peaceful countries in the world when they’re all some of the most secular? Japan was ranked the 2nd highest atheist population in the world with between 30 and 39 percent of people say they are “convinced atheists”, 10 to 19 percent of Iceland are convinced atheists (making them the 6th highest), and 48.2 percent of people in New Zealand have no religion. Why is it that even though religion around the world has decreased, violence around the world has also decreased, according to Psychologist Steven Pinker in his book, “The Better Angels of Our Nature.”

I actually know some people who defend Fuentes. They brush off every comment he makes about the Holocaust and Hitler as “edgy jokes,” and the parts they have agreed with him on, like the need for a Christian nation or him getting hurt in his daily existence by Jews, in the same tone as his other comments, they say he’s right despite the fact that they literally are baseless and just flat out nonsensical. How did they feel about the “Unholy” stage performance being “Satanic,” and Kathy Griffin’s moronic picture of her carrying the decapitated head of Donald Trump? Do they consider those funny, “edgy” jokes? I don’t think so.

Remember, correlation does not equal causation. What I’m saying is a lack of religious belief, including Christian beliefs, does not result in societal decline. Atheist is not a synonym for woke, it isn’t a synonym for nihilist, and it isn’t a synonym for Communist. If it were, how does Atheists for Liberty exist? Or Republican Atheists, or Ayn Rand Institute, and the Objective Standard Institute? Why is AFL doing so well as a non-profit organization? If the Jews and Israel are somehow controlling American media, how come I can easily find articles that support Palestine or Anti-Zionist social media accounts? Why didn’t the Jews rig elections in favor of Bernie Sanders?

Nick, you are not the “most canceled man in America” because you’re some kind of Christian nationalist rebel, you’re not. You’re just an attention-seeking mountebank that nobody wants to work with. People, especially conservatives, don’t want to side with somebody who blames an entire race of people for when things don’t go his way, and who will happily praise Hitler. You are not a victim.

The problem Fuentes has with far-left ideologies isn’t authoritarianism, it’s that they don’t push for his particular brand of religious nihilism and catholic authoritarianism; his comments on Antifa and Hitler is evidence of this. Christian nationalists are the type of people who talk about their love for the U.S. Constitution and Jesus but never actually listen to either of them.